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Rock 'N Roll Case Study: CHARLES MANSON – A Musical Motive?

This installment of rock 'n roll case study examines the music of Charles Manson. Was there a 'musical' motive involved in the Manson murders or was the musical aspirations of Charlie just incidental? Were the Manson murders committed as retaliation against those who denied Charlie his "true glory" as a singing sensation? Or was Manson's use of music just a tool? Family member Paul Watkins said that Manson Family was programmed most effectively through music. Charlie has stated that his musical career was never of great importance to him. Yet, he spent a lot of time and energy trying to get his 'break' into music.


I was first drawn into the world of Manson intrigue when they showed the Helter Skelter mini-series in 1976. Having just discovered The Beatles, I was fascinated by all the Beatles "clues" that were mentioned in the first episode - and went out the very next day and purchased the Beatles "White Album". Soon afterwards, I got the book, HELTER SKELTER and I was hooked. Sure, it was interest in the Beatles that first hooked me, but then I became fascinated by the failings of the hippie mentality of the '60s that the Manson murders represented. Almost ten years went by until my interest in Manson reemerged, this time by finding a vinyl copy of his album LIE at a record convention. The spooky-looking photo on the cover just made the album seem more foreboding. I couldn't wait to hear Charlie's songs with all the dark messages about the coming apocalypse. I was thinking, "this has got to be earth-shattering stuff, right? I mean, if he had all these music people under his spell, there has got to be something about Charlie's music?" So I rushed home to put the album on the turntable...only to be terribly disappointed. This was no 'hippie messiah', with a new philosophy that was going to change the world. Charlie was simply a second-rate folkie hack. Sure, Charlie had a decent voice and a better than average grasp of songwriting, but overall, I can see why ALL of the music labels rejected him. Had there not been the notorious Manson murders, I seriously doubt that any of Charlie's music would have made it to vinyl at all.

The story of Charles Manson has entrenched itself into urban legend, so I wont go into too much of his background. What is important is that in 1967, Charlie was released from prison after serving half of his life in various institutions. And yes, that means that he could not have auditioned for the Monkees because he was still incarcerated in 1966. In prison, he learned two things that would help him cast his spell over gullible hippies: he learned guitar Alvin "Old Creepy" Karpis of the Ma Barker gang and he delved into scientology. He also asked Karpis for music contacts when he got out of prison. Another inmate who did give Charlie a musical contact was Phil Kaufman who gave him the name of somebody at Universal Studios in Hollywood (where Charlie would record the first of many demos in late '67). It is also claimed that the Beatles captivated Manson. Karpis remembered, "He was constantly telling people he could come on like the Beatles, if he got the chance."


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A Musical Motive? wrote:

Almost ten years went by until my interest in Manson reemerged, this time by finding a vinyl copy of his album LIE at a record convention.


1.Look at Your Game Girl
3.Mechanical Man
4.People Say I'm No Good
5.Home Is Where You're Happy
7.I'll Never Say Never to Always
8.Garbage Dump
9.Don't Do Anything Illegal
10.Sick City
11.Cease to Exit
12.Big Iron Door
13.I Once Knew Knew a Man
14.Eyes of a Dreamer


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Charlie must have had some musical talent, and made quite a few contacts with those in the music business. Phil Kaufman described Charlie's music as, "He sounded like a young Frankie Laine and was really quite good." Beach Boys drummer, Dennis Wilson later said, "Charlie didn't have a musical bone in his whole body." Yet, he did get Charlie studio time at brother Brian Wilson's studio. Even Neil Young knew Manson. "He had this kind of music that nobody else was doing. I thought he really had something crazy, something great. He was like a living poet." John Phillips of the Mamas and Papas was less enthusiastic. When others would suggest that he record Manson, Phillips recalled, "I'd just shudder every time. I'd say no, I think I'll pass."

Yet, Dennis was willing not only to introduce him to his music industry contacts (such as Terry Melcher), but also recorded Charlie at his brother's home recording studio. I think that Charlie used the drugs and the girls in his entourage to 'enhance' his music. Studs like Dennis Wilson and Terry Melcher simply went along for the ride, and the ever-available girls and drugs just made it seem like Charlie's music was special. You can almost hear them thinking out loud, "why else would all these chicks be hanging around this elfish little hippie? It's gotta be the music." But alas, once the drugs wore off, Dennis discovered that Charlie's girls gave him the clap and Manson's entourage fleeced him of about $100,000 (in the summer of 1968) - the reality set in.



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Charlie gets two of his songs performed on a Beach Boys album in 1968 called "20/20"

However, Dennis did convince the Beach Boys to record one of Charlie's songs on their new 20/20 album. "Cease To Exist" was recorded under the new title of "Never Learn Not to Love". The song was the b-side of a Beach Boys single, which only made it to number 61. In May of 1969, Manson informed his parole officer that he had a song on the charts. Charlie could later claim the notoriety of being the only notorious mass murderer to have a song on the charts!

Charlie could write decent, interesting songs. But, after hearing his first recordings, its not hard to see why the various record labels weren't pounding on Charlie's door with contracts waiting. Charlie was obviously nervous at this first recording session and his performance suffers. Plus, the music just wasn't there yet - there are no entertaining gems like "Garbage Dump" or "Cease To Exist" that Charlie would record in 1968 (songs which became the LIE album). However, these first recordings do give a clue to Charlie's "gift of the gab" and his between songs banter is a curious relic indeed of Charlie-speak. However, I found it interesting that in the time between his first recordings in fall of 1967 and the LIE album recordings in 1968, Charlie's skill at songwriting jumped enourmously. But still, there was something lacking...Charlie's recorded performances sounded too unpolished.



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Kim Fowley, Szenebegründer aus Los Angeles, der psychedelische Musiker Chris Darrow, der Rockhistoriker Greg Shaw und Don Was, der spätere Produzent von Brian Wilson, steuern persönliche Eindrücke bei, eingebettet in dokumentarisches Material von Arbeit und Leben der Beach Boys.


When Guns'n'Roses/Snakepit guitarist Slash was coming in to the BBC Scotland studios to be interviewed for the Radio One Rockshow, we didn't know what to expect. We booked extra studio time in case he was late or difficult to work with. On the day, he turned up fifteen minutes early and couldn't have been easier company: very mellow, highly pro. The same afternoon, Peter Easton was interviewing Kim Fowley for Beat Patrol. What we didn't know was that Fowley had tried to manage Slash's band when Slash was about thirteen, they hadn't seen one another since 1978 and they met... in BBC Scotland reception! Kim Fowley spent his time trying to enhance his dark image by asking the women he met weird questions about Charles Manson and Gary Barlow, while Slash finished his interview with me in record time, then offered a lift into town. I still have a photo of Slash, Fowley, Peter E. and me with producer Stewart Cruickshank and Duglas T. Stewart... a 'once in a lifetime' lineup, that's for sure. On the way out, Slash told me that Kim's performance in our office was mild stuff: "I've never seen him being so nice among a group of people before", he said, adding "Satan lives inside that man!"
John Cavanagh


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BBC Scotland wrote:

Kim Fowley

Kim Fowley

You became friendly with Phil Spector too. Weren’t you there for the “River Deep Mountain High” sessions?

I was on the corner of Sunset and Vine and met Brian Wilson. When I told him Phil Spector was over at Gold Star with Ike and Tina Turner, Brian said ‘Let's go!’. So I go into Gold Star with Brian, and we see Mick Jagger sitting there, watching the recording. So we all watched them go through it, take after take. I remember one particular take was truly amazing, but they'd forgotten to turn the machine on. Watching Spector and Jack Nitzsche was incredible. Phil told jokes between takes, trying to keep everyone refreshed. I was there for a lot of the Beach Boys' sessions too, including the whole of Smile and 20/20. I'm there on “Vegetables”, with Paul McCartney on headphones. I'm yelling out on there. Charles Manson was there. It was quite wild.


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Gold Star wrote:
BBC Scotland wrote:

Kim Fowley

Kim Fowley

Phil Spector

By the turn of the decade though, you’d left LA for London.

After the Manson murders, there was a kind of void in LA. The whole thing got kinda boring, so I came to London. I really didn't like all the new singer-songwriters with sprouting beards. My girlfriend, Melanie McDonald, and I went to the David Bowie recording sessions for Hunky Dory. Around that time, we were all ready to get married. Then Bowie's manager, Tony DeFries - who'd take us out to dinner every night - eloped with her and she ended up marrying him. I lost my girlfriend to Bowie's manager. In the meantime, I was staying at Ealing Broadway and we'd go to the Cellar club, where they played this amazing music by Slade and T.Rex. That was where Bowie gave me the idea for doing a nightclub in LA.

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Tony DeFries wrote:
Gold Star wrote:
BBC Scotland wrote:

Kim Fowley

Phil Spector

Bowie gave me the idea for doing a nightclub in LA.

Intermission 1

Rodney’s English Disco

When I started talking about how good Pilot was, he’d had enough. He wanted to hear about reggae or some fucking shit like that. (As it happens, I’m a friend of Bunny Wailer’s. Bunny Wailer is the Jamaican Kim Fowley. Really.) We go down to the Whisky to meet the Police. Sting was about as impressed as Sharon Tate’s mother meeting one of Charles Manson’s relatives.


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OK enough sideways...


In the recording studio, Charlies showed a complete lack of direction and motivation. This is more than a little baffling, especially for someone that spent such a large amount of time and energy to get a record deal. Charlie usually arrived at recording studios unprepared and unwilling to take any suggestions as to recording procedure by the producer. Who knows, maybe Charlie thought the tape would magically pick up the vibe that he got when he was the center of the party, singing with girls and drugs. He would also bring his whole 'Family' in, each with assorted instruments. This must have been a recording technician's nightmare, since Charlie refused to be recorded alone. Bobby Beausoleil said, "You just can't do a good recording like that! I tried to tell him, "You know, if you want to add this, we can always overdub," but it wasn't working.' But Manson wanted all the Family included, replying, "What fun would it be without all of us?"

Dennis arranged for Charlie to be recorded at Brian Wilson's home recording studio. Stephen Despar was a recording technician for the Beach Boys, described the sessions. "He brought nothing, except half a dozen girls, and they stayed in the studio with him and smoked dope." Despar also added, "He had musical talent." Manson explained, "I never really dug recording, you know, all those things pointing at you. You get into the studio, and it's hard to sing into micro-phones. My relationship to music is completely subliminal, it just flows through me."

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If the murders were NOT retaliation for Charlie's rejection by the music 'establishment', there are however many interesting coincidences. There are ties to both the Cielo Drive and the Waverly Drive crime scenes and Manson was familiar with both places. Manson was introduced to Terry Melcher, while Melcher was still living at 10050 Cielo Drive. Another incident places Charlie at 10050 Cielo Drive, when Dennis drove Melcher home, as Charlie sat in the back seat. Rudy Altobelli, a business manager for show-business personalities, lived in the guesthouse at Cielo Drive. He had contact several times with Manson when he came to the house looking for Terry Melcher. During one visit, Charlie even met Sharon Tate.

Manson had also attended parties with Phil Kaufman at 3267 Waverly Drive, a house that Harold True was renting. The La Blanca's owned the house next door, 3001 Waverly Drive. Kaufman states that, "Manson had the La Biancas killed when he was looking for Harold and me. I had previously fallen out with Charlie over his music and he was after me."


Phil Kaufman wrote a book called "Road Mangler Deluxe" for which Frank Zappa wrote a little acknowledgment.  The guy was the Human Trombone in the Baby Snakes movie/video. And if you look at the Joe's Garage liner, he coined the phrase "Why Does It Hurt When I Pee?"

Phil Kaufman became Zappa's emergency replacement road manager when their previous manager (ron nehoda) had killed himself mid-tour, in September 1977.
He also produced the "LIE" album for prison-mate Charles Manson.


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Charlie pursued his musical aspirations through 1969. Terry Melcher came to hear Manson play at Spahn ranch but wasn't impressed enough to offer a contract. While Family members claimed that Melcher discussed a recording contract, Melcher denied ever discussing this. Gregg Jakobson probably hit the nail on the head when he told Terry Melcher, "This guy should be captured on film. You're never gonna capture this guy on tape." Ultimately, Charlie failed to convince anyone to sign him to a record contract. Was this the spark or just a coincidence in the resulting murders? Manson allegedly told a friend that summer, "How are you going to get to the establishment? You can't sing to them. I tried that, I tried to save them, but they wouldn't listen. Now we've got to destroy them."

Of all the books that have been written about Charles Manson over the years, each one has its own theory as to why the murders were committed. Of course, the "Helter Skelter" theory is the most popular, simply due to the enormous popularity of the book and TV movie (and it is being re-filmed for another go around on TV next year!). While the Helter Skelter motive has the dramatic mixture of the Beatles, the Bible, LSD, sex and the apocalypse - it doesn't answer the 'motive' question 100%. Were the Manson murders just payback for drug burns? (There is evidence that Frykowski was trying to be a dealer for the drug MDA and rumors that Mrs. LaBianca was a dealer of drugs as well). Was it just coincidental that both of these houses had 'musical' ties? When you mix all the drugs, sex and music...who knows what really went down? Only Charlie truly knows. But, I have a feeling that Charlie will take his true motives to the grave.

But when it comes to describing the music of Charles Manson, I think that the reviews of the LIE album best sums up his music: "Trite…lighweight folk-pop…mediocre…coffee-shop strummer."

Roman Polanski at "PIG" door.


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"The Beatles" (White Album) signed by Manson


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Bobby Beausoleil



It was July 25th, 1969, and the merciless summer heat beat down on the dusty northwestern reaches of Los Angeles. When Bobby Beausoleil, a slim, handsome 21-year-old musician, hit the Pacific Highway and coastal stretch of beach he was tempted to stop for a swim. But Beausoleil had more important business. His destination late this afternoon was the rustic hippie enclave embedded in Topanga Canyon just south of Malibu, the home of Gary Hinman.

Beausoleil had spent the previous evening with his friend Charlie Manson at Manson*s desert spread, the Spahn Ranch. It was at the ranch that Beausoleil claims he delivered 1000 tabs of Hinman*s home-manufactured mescaline to Manson*s buddy, Danny DeCarlo, who also served as club treasurer for the motorcycle gang, the Straight Satans. Several hours later, according to Beausoleil, the bikers reported back that the substance was actually strychnine and demanded their money returned, pronto. Beausoleil decided to confront Hinman and retrieve his money the next day. While preparing to leave, two of Manson*s groupie girlfriends asked Beausoleil if they could come along for the ride because "they liked Gary Hinman." Their names were Mary Brunner and Susan "Sadie" Atkins.

The man Beausoleil planned to confront, Gary Hinman, was a kind of hippie renaissance figure in the ‘60s, a Ph.D. candidate in Sociology at U.C.L.A., a political activist, Zen Buddhist devotee, a musician and a piano teacher...and a drug dealer with a mescaline factory tucked away in his basement. Assuming that Hinman would see the folly of a drug burn with a biker club, Beausoleil did not anticipate much resistance.

On July 31st, Gary Hinman was found dead in his Topanga Canyon home. He had been stabbed twice in the heart and badly slashed across the left side of his face. His house had been ransacked and both of his cars were missing. scrawled on the wall in Hinman*s blood was the macabre epithet, "Political Piggy." The police, with no leads in the case, were resigned to tagging the crime just another unsolved hippie weirdo murder in Los Angeles.



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Sister Sadie wrote:

Bobby Beausoleil

Gary Hinman


DOB: 12.24.34
DOD: 7.27.69
Birthplace: Colorado

Gary Allen Hinman was born in Colorado on the Christmas Eve of 1934. He graduated school with a degree and chemistry, but continued at UCLA where he was near receiving his Ph.D. in Sociology. He was remembered as having a kind, gentle soul, and for being an intellect. Gary's house in Topanga Canyon was a regular crash pad for anyone needing a place to stay. He befriended the Manson family; often letting various members live at his home. Hinman was a talented musician; he worked at a music shop teaching the bagpipes, piano, trombone, and the drums. Together with a young couple that lived in his basement, Gary manufactured a synthetic mescaline. Sometime in 1968 he became interested in Nichiren Shoshu Buddhism. In the summer of 1969 Gary was planning a religious pilgrimage to Japan.

On July 25, 1969, Manson family members Bobby Beausoleil, Susan Atkins, and Mary Brunner paid Gary a visit. There are two stories about why; the first was that Hinman had sold Beausoleil some bad mescaline, and Bobby wanted a refund. The second story was that Manson had found out that Hinman had inherited $20,000, and wanted to steal it. Whatever the motive was, the conflict lasted for 3 days. During which, Charles Manson and Bruce Davis stopped by. As soon as he arrived, Manson began yelling at Gary, Hinman responded by screaming back at him, telling Charlie to leave, and to take the others with him. Charlie raised his sword and quickly struck Hinman in the head, slicing off Gary's left ear. Manson and Davis immediately left in one of Hinman's cars while the others stayed behind. Mary and Susan stitched up his ear with dental floss while Gary, who didn't believe in violence, just kept on asking them to leave. It all ended on the 27th when Beausoleil finally killed Hinman, stabbing him in the chest twice. Bobby, Susan, and Mary took turns holding a pillow over his face. Beausoleil then wrote "POLITICAL PIGGY" and drew a pawn print on the wall in Hinman's blood in an attempt to make authorities think the Black Panthers committed the murder. Gary died on the floor with his prayer beads in hand, chanting "Nam Myo Ho Renge Kyo Nam Myo Ho Renge Kyo", the chant of his faith.


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"Kim Fowley’s Outrageous: The Plan 9 from Outer Space of Rock Albums!"

Is Kim Fowley, a fixture on the American pop music scene since 1959, the single most-reviled figure in rock history? And is his 1968 LP anti-meisterwerk Outrageous— recipient of the lowest grade in the 36-plus year history of Christgau’s Consumer Guide AND declared “The Greatest Album Ever Made!” by Kim Gordon and Thurston Moore of Sonic Youth in 1992—the most deserving candidate for the titular distinction above?!

Besides occasioning such dichotomous critical reaction, Outrageous remains an astonishingly ENTERTAINING piece of Sludge: an inverse-Everest of improvised studio slop and offhandedly offensive, freeform madness, employing Three Dog Night in the Faustian bargain!

It can be argued that Outrageous was also some sort of deranged prophecy of the August 1969 Manson Killings. And given Fowley’s proudly sleazy presence on the ‘60s L.A. rock scene, his friendship since high school with famed producer/alleged Manson target Terry Melcher, and his shameless desire to exploit every passing trend, it seems impossible that messieurs Kim and Charlie were not at least passingly acquainted.




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The Spiral Staircase was located on Topanga Canyon Lane in the area behind The Raft (restaurant/bar).  This is at the mouth of Topanga Canyon.  Topanga Canyon Lane is actually two separate roads which were probably supposed to join (today, a tiny footbridge crosses the creek that separates the two halves of the road).

The Spiral Staircase was located around the red arrow in the 1924 photo above.  Was it old enough to show up in this photo?  The road running along the ocean is Pacific Coast Highway.  The road running back into the valley is Topanga Canyon Boulevard.

The house was owned by a woman named Gina (last name withheld) and was in bad shape.  It apparently was demolished in 1968.  Manson wrote a short story that described the house as hanging over the creek.  This seems to be a fairly accurate description since several of my sources say the house was a Victorian which had slid down the hill and nearly into the creek.  The first floor was filled with sand and people only occupied the second floor.  Today, only a garden remains in the spot.

It seems no one called the house "The Spiral Staircase" in 1967-68.  If anything, it seems to have been called "The Snake Pit" (not because of snakes but due to the happenings).  Besides the Manson bus (which was painted black at "The Spiral Staircase," there were many other hippie buses in the area at the time.  My sources have mentioned orgies on the beach and sheep/goat sacrifices.

Manson's story describes meeting Diane "Snake" Lake at this house (could her nickname actually be based on "The Snake Pit?").  Her trial testimony also states that she met Manson on this road in 1967.


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Kim Gordon and Thurston M wrote:

“The Greatest Album Ever Made!”

In 1985, experimental rock band Sonic Youth released the song "Death Valley '69" which was inspired by the Manson murders. In cooperation with director Richard Kern they produced a video clip for the song in which part of the band members were involved in gory scenes.


Der Song "Death Valley 69" auf dem SONIC YOUTH-Album "Bad Moon Rising"(1985) hat Mansons Family-Ranch und die Turbulenzen während der damaligen Mordtage zum Thema.


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Abigail Folger

Abigail Anne Folger (August 11, 1943 – August 9, 1969) was an American coffee heiress, debutante, socialite and member of the prominent United States Folger family. She was the great-great-granddaughter of J. A. Folger, the founder of Folgers Coffee.

Early life
Folger was born in San Francisco, California. Her parents were Peter Folger, Chairman and President of the Folger Coffee Company, and Inez Mejia, the daughter of a prestigious California land grant family. Her Catholic parents divorced in 1952 when Abigail was still young, after her mother ended the marriage on the grounds of extreme cruelty. In 1960 her father married again, to his 34-year-old private secretary Beverly.

Growing up in San Francisco, Abigail was raised in the closed tradition of San Francisco society. As a young girl she was interested in art, books, and poetry. She spent much of her time painting and writing poetry when she had the time to do so. Besides her interests in painting and poetry, Abigail was very talented in playing the piano. Close friends and family called her 'Gibby'.

Abigail Folger attended the Santa Catalina School for Girls in Monterey, California, near Carmel. While there, she was well known and well liked as a model student who graduated with honors in June 1961. She then matriculated at Radcliffe College in Cambridge, Massachusetts in the fall of 1961. During her stay at Radcliffe she became an active member of the college's Gilbert and Sullivan Players, a musical theatre group. Abigail starred in two of its productions, starting with The Sorcerer in April 1963 where she played the part of one of the town's villagers. In December 1963 she starred in The Gondoliers as the pretty Contandine. Abigail graduated with honors from Radcliffe College in 1964.

While a freshman in college she became a debutante on December 21, 1961 at the Saint Francis Hotel in San Francisco, where she made her 'official' debut into San Francisco's high society. Her debutante ball was one of the highlights of the social season with Folger wearing a bright yellow Christian Dior gown, that she had purchased in Paris the previous summer.

After graduating from Radcliffe, she enrolled in the fall of 1964 at Harvard University (also in Cambridge, Massachusetts), where she did graduate work and received a degree in Art History. After graduating in the spring of 1967, she took a job at the University of California Art Museum in Berkeley, California as a publicity director. While employed there, Abigail's main job was to organize the fine art museum council.

New York City
In September 1967, Folger decided to move away from California in order to 'find' herself and to probe the other side of life. She didn't stay in Berkeley for long; she soon made the move to New York City, where she got a job working for a magazine publisher. She eventually left for a job at the Gotham Book Mart on 47th Street. While living in New York, she chose to live well beneath her means. As the daughter of the name which meant coffee millions, Folger's annual income from her inheritances, after taxes, was $130,000 a year.

It was at a bookstore party in December 1967 where she met Polish author Jerzy Kosinski, who was married to American steel heiress Mary Hayward Weir. Hayward Weir ran in the same wealthy circle as Folger and it was she who introduced Kosinski to Abigail. In early January 1968, Kosinski introduced Abigail to his friend, aspiring writer Wojciech Frykowski, at a party and the two hit it off. Frykowski had been living in the United States for one month at the time.

Folger and Wojciech
Wojciech was not then fluent in English, but like Abigail, he was fluent in French. Abigail gave him a tour of New York, began to teach him English, and a romance soon blossomed. He moved into her New York City apartment and she soon found herself supporting him financially.

From April to May 1968, Abigail became a political volunteer for the ill-fated presidential campaign of New York Senator Robert F. Kennedy. Folger donated both time and money to the Kennedy campaign. Abigail believed strongly and shared in Kennedy's political views, but the dream soon came to an end with his assassination in Los Angeles in early June.

In August 1968 both Folger and Frykowski decided to move to Los Angeles, California. Wojciech wanted to pursue his writing career while Abigail wanted to get involved with a new welfare project that was currently under way. Abigail rented a car, and she and Wojciech drove across the country.

In Los Angeles, Abigail found a two-storey hilltop home to rent at 2774 Woodstock Road for her and Wojciech in Laurel Canyon and bought herself a 1968 yellow Firebird. Their neighbor across the road was singer Cass Elliot of the rock group The Mamas & the Papas, whom the couple quickly befriended. Through Wojciech, Abigail met the Polanskis, Roman and Sharon. Through the Polanskis, Abigail and Wojciech were introduced to Jay Sebring. The five quickly began to hang out together and were known to be a part of 'the beautiful people crowd' in Hollywood.

Social work
Like her mother Inez, who was active doing charity work with the Haight-Ashbury Free Medical Clinic in San Francisco, Abigail continued to be involved with volunteer work. She registered as a volunteer social worker for the Los Angeles County Welfare Department in September 1968. Earlier in the spring and summer of 1968, Abigail attended fundraisers set up by her mother to aid the Haight-Ashbury Free Medical Clinic around the same time many of the Manson family women were being treated there. Back in Los Angeles, Abigail spent long days in the ghettos doing her job as a volunteer social worker with children.

On March 15, 1969, Abigail, Sebring, and Wojciech attended the catered housewarming party of the Polanskis at 10050 Cielo Drive. Over one hundred guests such as Jane Fonda, Roger Vadim, Peter Fonda, Tony Curtis, Warren Beatty, Nancy Sinatra, Michael Sarne, Michelle Phillips, John Phillips, and Cass Elliot attended. The next day, Polanski left for London, to begin work on a new film.

Meanwhile Folger's work as a social worker soon began to take a toll on her and she became depressed. Adding to her depression was the knowledge that the children that she worked with in the poor areas of Los Angeles, such as Watts, were deprived. She would later admit that the suffering affected her deeply. Around this time Abigail bought herself a Dalmatian puppy, which she named Tom.

On March 23, 1969, an odd incident occurred at 10050 Cielo Drive. That afternoon Abigail and Wojciech went over to the Polanskis home for a going away dinner party for Tate, who was leaving for Rome the next day. Sebring was there as well as Tate's friend Shahrokh Hatami, an Iranian photographer. Rudi Altobelli, the owner of the Cielo home, had attended the party briefly but soon returned to his guest house to pack for his upcoming trip to Europe. The incident involved a strange looking man who had appeared on the property, as the occupants of the house sat in the dining room, which faced the front of the residence. Hatami felt uneasy about this stranger roaming the Polanski estate, looking at people he did not know, so he left the house to confront the man. From the front porch, the party inside could be seen through the large dining room windows. Hatami asked the stranger if he could help. The stranger said he was looking for someone by the name of Terry Melcher, a name Hatami did not recognize. Hatami made it clear to the stranger that this was the Polanski residence, and suggested that perhaps the person he was looking for lived in the guest house. Later, this stranger was identified as Charles Manson.

10050 Cielo Drive
On April 1, 1969, while Sharon Tate and Roman Polanski were away in Europe filming movies, Abigail and Wojciech moved into the Polanskis Cielo Drive home in Benedict Canyon at Polanski's request. At the same time their Woodstock Road home was being occupied by Wojciech's friend, Polish artist Witold-K, who had arrived in the United States the previous December. A day earlier Abigail had quit her job as a social worker. It was at this time that Abigail's relationship with Wojciech began to crumble. Constantly fighting, the pair began to sink lower into their world of experimental drug use.

During the month of April and continuing through most of May 1969, Abigail became a political volunteer for the campaign of Tom Bradley, a black councilman running for mayor of Los Angeles. She contributed both her time and a large amount of her own money to the Bradley campaign. The defeat of Bradley by Sam Yorty in late May was due to a racial smear campaign, and it left Abigail feeling both bitter and disillusioned. This led her to become very involved with the cause of civil rights.

In May 1969, Abigail and her mother Inez attended the San Francisco opening of Jay Sebring's newest shop at 629 Commercial Street. Abigail enjoyed the champagne reception and found herself mingling with such guests as Paul Newman, Joanne Woodward, Doris Tate, and her husband Paul Tate (Sharon's parents).

On July 8, 1969, Folger and Frykowski learned that Sharon Tate would be returning to the U.S. later that month. The couple then began to move most of their clothing from Cielo Drive back to their own home on Woodstock Road. They informed Wojciech's friend, Witold-K, that they would be soon returning to live in their home after Tate's arrival.

On July 20, 1969, Tate returned to California from London, and asked Abigail and Wojciech to remain at 10050 Cielo Drive with her until her husband Roman Polanski arrived on August 12. On July 20, Abigail, Wojciech, Sharon and Jay, along with Tate's parents and two younger sisters, all watched the moon landing on television.

On Friday morning, August 8, 1969, Abigail and Wojciech ran some errands together. Folger purchased a yellow lightweight bicycle around 2 pm from a shop on Santa Monica Boulevard and arranged for it to be delivered to Cielo Drive later that afternoon. She and Wojciech then drove back to the Polanskis home and had a late lunch with Tate and her friends, Joanna Pettet and Barbara Lewis, on the front lawn patio. The late lunch was served to the party of five by Winifred Chapman, the Polanskis housekeeper. Shortly after, around 3:45pm, Gibby left Cielo Drive in her 1968 yellow Pontiac Firebird in order to keep an appointment she had later that afternoon. Frykowski left minutes later himself, in Tate's rented 1969 red Camaro, to unload a box at the couple's Woodstock Road home.

That evening, just after 9pm, Abigail, Wojciech, Jay Sebring, and Sharon Tate went out to a Mexican restaurant called El Coyote. Returning home, Wojciech fell asleep on the couch while Abigail was in her room reading. Abigail's mother called her at 10pm that night to verify their weekend plans. Abigail was scheduled to fly the 10am United Airlines shuttle Saturday morning to San Francisco, in order to celebrate her birthday on the 11th. Her mother Inez would join her later as she was coming in from Connecticut, after spending time with some of her friends.

The Charles Manson followers then broke into the house in the early morning hours of Saturday, August 9, 1969, and killed everyone inside. Despite being seriously injured, Abigail managed to escape the house only to be overcome on the lawn just outside. She was stabbed twenty-eight times.

Abigail Folger's body was returned to San Francisco, and taken to Crippen and Flynn Mortuary in Redwood City. Her funeral was held on the morning of Wednesday, August 13, 1969, at Our Lady of the Wayside Church in Portola Valley, a church that had been built by her grandparents, the Mejias, in 1912. Following a Catholic requiem mass, Abigail Folger was entombed inside the Main Mausoleum at Holy Cross Cemetery in Colma, California.


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My 4th Cousin's Tale wrote:

Abigail Folger

Abigail Anne Folger (August 11, 1943 – August 9, 1969) was an American coffee heiress, debutante, socialite and member of the prominent United States Folger family. She was the great-great-granddaughter of J. A. Folger, the founder of Folgers Coffee.


Folgers Coffee Commercial



Nickname: Gibby
DOB: 8.11.43
DOD: 8.9.69
Birthplace: California

Abigail Anne Folger was born in California on August 11, 1943. Her father Peter Folger, chairman of the Folger Coffee Company, and her mother Inez Mejia divorced when Abigail was still young. Growing up in the San Francisco area Abigail displayed an interest in art, passing much of her free time painting. She was also musically inclined, as she was noted as being a talented pianist. She attended the Catalina School for Girls in Carmel, California, moving on to Radcliffe College where she graduated with honors, finally ending up at Harvard where she did graduate work and received a degree in Art History. In 1967 she took a job at the University of California art museum in Berkeley, California.



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Did some calculating and figured out that Abigail and I are both a first cousin nine times removed of Benjamin Franklin.  Until today I had thought of my connection to Franklin in the vague sense of "he's a cousin".  This thread got me to wonder exactly what it is.  Likewise, I had thought of Abigail as simply "a cousin".  Now I know that we are generationally equidistant from Samuel Brown Folger, our common ancestor and great-great-great grandfather.

Truth be told, I'd never heard of Agigail before her death.  I'll ask my mother if she had.  She's 12 years older than Abigail, who was 12 years older than I.  The coffee Folgers and the Standard Oil/Shakespeareana Folgers are so closely related, and yet no clanbakes, at least none in my lifetime.


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My 4th Cousin's Tale wrote:

Samuel Brown Folger

5 George (Henry Folger Ancestor) Folger b: 24 May 1730 d: 18 Dec 1813
                  + Sarah Coleman b: 25 Jul 1734 d: 6 Mar 1779
                    6 George Folger b: 16 Apr 1756 d: 6 May 1809
                      + Rebecca Slocum b: 19 Mar 1758 d: 13 Aug 1832
                        7 Samuel Brown Folger b: 21 Oct 1795 d: 7 Jan 1864
                          + Nancy Hiller b: 30 Sep 1798 d: 1 Aug 1869
                            8 Henry Clay Folger b: 1838 d: 1914
                              + Eliza Jane Clark


Samuel Brown Folger


Henry Clay FOLGER (1829-1869), founder of Folger Shakespeare Library, president and chairman of Standard Oil Company of NY. Married Emily JORDAN.

Henry Clay FOLGER and Eliza Jane CLARK
Samuel Brown FOLGER (1795-1864) and Nancy HILLER
[for ancestry see James Athearn FOLGER following]
James Athearn FOLGER (1835-1889), founder of Folger Coffee Company. Married Ellen LOUGHRAN (1838-1906)

Samuel Brown FOLGER (1795-1864) and Nancy HILLER (1798-1869)
George FOLGER (1756-1809) and Rebecca SLOCUM (1753-1832)
George FOLGER (1730-1813) and Sarah COLEMAN (1734-1779) [see below]
Abishai FOLGER (1700-1788) and Sarah MAYHEW (1708-1734)
Nathan FOLGER (1678-1747) and Sarah CHURCH (d. 1745)
Eleazer FOLGER (1648-1716) and Sarah GARDNER (1631-1729)
Peter FOLGER (1618-1690) and Mary MORRILL (d. 1704)
Sarah COLEMAN (1734-1779) and George FOLGER (1730-1813)
Barnabus COLEMAN (1708-1791) and Racheal Bunker HUSSEY (1715-1791)
John COLEMAN (1667-1762) and Priscilla STARBUCK (1676-1762)
John COLEMAN (1644-1715) and Joanna FOLGER (1644-1719)
Peter FOLGER (1618-1690) and Mary MORRILL (d. 1704)


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4th Cousin

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I just want Stephen to light his pumas on fire during an epic solo